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Request to change the Sonic and Shadow's Relationship Section to add that they are Friends (With Evidence)

I already showed evidence for Sonic and Shadow's relationship being friends on Shadow the Hedgehog's wiki page. Here is the link to the tweet with a better picture of the 20th Anniversary "The History of Sonic the Hedgehog" Book: https://imgur.com/a/oDC5oCP (Changed since old link doesn't show the picture anymore) This is the wiki to the Book: https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/The_History_of_Sonic_the_Hedgehog And this is a video showing that book and looking through it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N8iCY9UMF0 In the Book it states Shadow as Sonic's Rival and Friend, so they are indeed friends and it is official.

Also, on multiple occasions, Sonic and Shadow have been referred to as Friends. It is heavily implied. Many times when SEGA talks about Sonic's Friends, Shadow is there and included. An example is when Sonic Team talks about the artbook "Life in Sonic's World". They say that those who are shown in the book are Sonic's friends. Shadow's picture has been shown in there along with other Sonic characters. It is also official that Shadow's only friend is Sonic. Because SEGA seems to treat this fact as very important, to the point of even saying that Shadow is not friends with Rouge and Omega, I believe it should be added that Sonic is Shadow's only friend.

When I brought up the change to DeCool99, he said that his impression of Sonic and Shadow's relationship is more of "Allies and Enemies" despite me saying that the correct translation for the part I changed is "Friend and Foe" or Frenemy. Because he did not agree that they are friends, he changed the last paragraph in the 'Relationship with Shadow' on this Sonic wiki to an incorrect translation. He said that he does not see them as Friends, but that is a personal impression and not what is canon to Sonic's universe. I request that it be changed that Sonic and Shadow's pages say that they are friends so that there is no bias interpretations on them and instead have the canon interpretation from SEGA themselves. I am holding good faith that this will be read and something will be done about the bias interpretations being said on this site. If it is not changed, then I can only assume that this site is bias and not a trustworthy place to go for information. Also that it is purposely trying to spread misinformation about Sonic and Shadow for ulterior motives/reasons. There should be no issue in accepting that Sonic and Shadow are friends, especially when official sources say they are. So, again, I request that it be made clear that they are friends in their wikis.

Forgot to add the translation I showed on Shadow's wiki about the "Friend and Foe" part. This is the word that I pointed out that is not translated correctly, "敵味方" which can also be written as or said as "てきみかた" which means "Friend and Foe" and can be translated as such in Jisho.org; a more accurate translation site. When it says "Friend and Foe", it means both at the same time. So for a more accurate understanding of the word in English, it would be "Frenemy" which is both a Friend and Foe/Enemy.

(Edit 10/26/22) It has been several months and my concern has still not been addressed. To be a more accurate source of information, it'd be best if you report things accurately and put that Sonic and Shadow are friends because there is evidence of this being a fact and I believe it should be made clear to clear the misunderstanding of their relationship with each other.

Philonite (talk) 10:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I apologise for not getting back to this any time sooner. I have a bad habit of meaning to get back to wiki projects I have had in the past, only to be sidetracked by things that require my attention in real life. Then when I return, I forget. Regardless, this is not what we're here to talk about.

When it comes to that translation from Sonic Channel, I was wrong in essentially changing their translation to fit what I believe about their relationship. That will be rectified. However, not even this changes what I believe Sega interprets their relationship to be. As far as the official word from Sega goes (going off of Ian Flynn's podcast that I do not currently have a link to but can add later), Shadow and Sonic are not friends. In fact, Shadow does not have any friends and this lines up to another official thing seen on the Sonic Channel, in that he enjoys nothing. There is nothing that interests him nor truly makes him happy. This is not counting Maria, as this was the one friend that Shadow had and loved but was taken away from him forcibly. However, he has now left this in the past to move forward. Ever since Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow has only done what he believes is justice to serve people of Earth due to Maria's will to him. He does not actually have true care for them in the sense of unconditional love. This is the same with the main cast, and I would even argue Rouge and Omega to be on this level as well.

With Sonic, it has generally been a matter of business with the hedgehog. Their first encounter had them butting heads. Shadow even was rude enough to say "I guess he was just a regular hedgehog after all." after he thought Sonic's capsule had exploded. Nontheless, they still fought but cooperated to stop the Biolizard as he remembered what Maria's will was. After this, Shadow lost his memory but this did not stop him from fighting with Sonic in Heroes over trivial things. However, since they are not exactly enemies, they still worked together in the end. Then there's Sonic Battle, where the first thing that Shadow does upon meeting him is demanding he hand over Emerl to destroy him. He also coldly says to Sonic who asks what will happen if he gets in the way, "Then... I will destroy you too..." They inevitably battle. Later on, Shadow and Sonic do not agree over the intent of his creation and refers to Sonic as "smug" in a negative tone when comparing him to Emerl. He even leaves the area when Emerl tried to give a heartfelt speech to him and Sonic. Sonic at least has more respect for Shadow and has entrusted him with Emerl to find out why the robot was created, but knew he would not destroy him due to his good heart. Shadow still disagreed with Sonic.

In Shadow's own game, even with all it's weirder mischaracterizations, Shadow is not that friendly with much of the main cast, especially, Sonic who he fights in separate boss battles ("Sonic! If you try to stop me... I'll destroy you too!" or " I'm just siding with whoever goes up against you! This time you're going down, Sonic!"). After Westopolis, for the Hero mission, they have a conversation that goes like this: [Sonic: Now that was sweet, Shadow!/Shadow: Yeah... Well I'm not here to save you!/Sonic: Thought you might say something like that! How about a little friendly competition?/Shadow: [Turns away from Sonic] Don't waste my time.] Later he can even say "Not you again..." when Sonic turns up and invites him to go with them to the ARK. Even if only one of these paths is canon, Shadow still performed one, meaning this was the extent of his care for Sonic. However, due to Sonic's good heart, he still believes in Shadow to do the right thing and save the world, like Battle.

Then there is 06, where Shadow is shown to have a grown mutual respect for Sonic as he works with him and the others to get back to the present, prevented Silver from killing him, helped revive him, and then beat Solaris with him. However, he still has instances where he is doing this as part of his mission and not because he is on friendly terms with the hedgehog. When searching for an Emerald in the future, Sonic tells him to not be late and Shadow says "Same to you." In Colors, Shadow is there solely to collect information and gives Sonic challenges to see if he prepared to face Eggman. He then says "Finally, a little peace and quiet." when Sonic and Tails leave and says implies that data could not tell Omega everything when the robot had stated they were equal in power. In Free Riders, Team Heroes berate Shadow and Rouge for their treatment of E-10000B, but they do not care. When Sonic states that he will beat him, Shadow says "I'll put an end to YOU. Now let's be done with this!" After the match, Shadow states that Sonic will never beat him. In Team Heroes' story though, when Shadow loses he says "Ugh. We lost to them? This is ridiculous..." This is not even in a friendly way or in a good sport attitude.

In Generations, when facing Shadow he says "You're finally here, Sonic. I don't know where we are, nor do I care. This is where I finish you, Sonic!" He does not have a true reason to fight him but does so anyway, like Heroes. Later in the game, he supports the Sonics as they beat the Eggmen. Shadow was one of the only people that did not turn up to Sonic's birthday. Why would he not appear if several of Sonic's friends were there? Sure, you can make a case for Blaze and Silver but Shadow in the very least is in the same world as him. After Classic Sonic and Classic Tails leave the party, Shadow is the only one not to wave goodbye. There's Forces, but like 06, Shadow works alongside Sonic and the others solely to complete his mission. He also agrees to help rebuild the world. In Team Sonic Racing, even though he rivals against Sonic, he states that he is not there for Sonic but only to investigate Eggman with Team Dark. He even states that there is no challenge in facing Eggman. Later on, he reminds Sonic to focus on why they should be there, investigating Eggman and Dodon Pa.

This is not my personal feelings. This is literally how they have portrayed Sonic and Shadow's relationship from the very beginning. They are not actually friends. Sonic would try to consider him a friend but Shadow is only ever interested in his own goals. If fighting alongside Sonic helps him, he does so. If Sonic is in his way, he fights him. It's one of the reasons Shadow is still considered an anti hero to this day. If he was a true friend, Shadow would act more like Knuckles or Blaze, two people Sonic has clashed with but managed to put their rivalries aside for the greater good in the long term. Shadow consistently has insulted Sonic, turned his help away, and not cared to join in on even his birthday. This does not mean Shadow does not have a level of respect for the hedgehog, but clearly Shadow has only ever seen Sonic in an occasional partner kind of light and nothing more. This is why I am still not of the opinion that these two hedgehogs are friends and what is being put down on the wiki is correct. I know what the book says, but I am treating it with the same kind of treatmeant I give the Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia considering they have third party publishers who supply the book with information and have some details that are not exactly correct, like Shadow's height (Tikal's does not look correct either).

So yes, this is my official word, and my stance has still not changed. I apologise once again that this took so long.DECOOL! (talk) 22:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

That isn't being accurate or fair in any way and it is still dependent on your own opinion of things from seeing mostly the American side of things. SEGA of Japan sees both of them as friends, especially in current medias. An example can be this video where when it talks about Sonic's friends in one section. Shadow is the first one listed: https://youtu.be/gU5z6KE5weQ?t=220

Not only that, you are treating a physical source of them being friends as false based on biasness. You're only accepting what you wish to accept as fact and that is not fair in the least, right or just. Also, Ian Flynn is not the creator of the series or someone else higher up who takes care of the series like Iizuka, Hoshino, Toyoda or Sonic Team in general. Also, he only says that he THINKS that Shadow has no friends. Therefore implying that he doesn't know whether he has friends or not based on the American side of things/his knowledge. But even if Ian says that, he does not speak for SEGA and especially not SEGA of Japan. What he said was his personal opinion on his view of things like how he believes that Rouge and Omega should be Shadow's friends.

(I mentioned before how it is said that Rouge and Omega are said not to be his friends officially, and yes, that was from Ian, but my point this time is the relationship between Sonic and Shadow. Whether Shadow is friends with them or not would have to been proven later in more concrete media than Ian.) Another point I'd bring up to you is that you said that you don't use third party materials, but Ian is a third party himself. He was the one who wrote the Encyclo-speed-ia, so if you don't take things from there, then Ian's words in general shouldn't be taken as any facts. Meaning, you can't take his words about his personal opinion of Shadow having no friends as a fact of Shadow having no friends.

Shadow in Japanese is also much more monotone about things concerning Sonic. And Shadow has a tsundere personality, so you can't take everything he says at face value. He shows this multiple times like in TSR and in his calendar story with Sonic. By mentioning what only benefits your opinion on their relationship is showing more proof of how you're only taking things as you want it or what benefits your own opinion.

When Shadow says he wasn't there for Sonic in TSR, Sonic never asked him if he was there for him in the first place. Shadow mentioned that himself. That type of behavior is how a tsundere acts. Another example can be how in his calendar story he pouted after saying similar lines to the one you pointed out in TSR. What he said was, "I'm not interested in peace or anything else. I don't care what happens to others. I just don't like it when foolish beings do whatever they please on this planet. Whether it's the Doctor or anyone else, including you. Don't misunderstand me." before pouting. But you can obviously tell he's lying to a certain degree because he ended up saving everyone as much as possible with the faded emerald. He didn't have to save the town and he didn't have to try to get the bomb away as much as possible. So this just goes to show that he actually cares but is a tsundere about it and doesn't want to admit that he actually cares. Same can be said with his relationship with Sonic. Also, pouting is a clear sign of a tsundere.

Also, Shadow waited and played around with Sonic in TSR until he was ready to stop Eggman. He didn't have to compete with him and he could have went to attack Eggman himself without warning, but he did not. Instead, he waited for Sonic.

There's also Sonic Colors DS where Shadow was concerned for Sonic's safety. If he wasn't a friend, he wouldn't care about his wellbeing at all. But there have been multiple times shown, like when you mentioned Generations, where he supports Sonic or cares about Sonic and his wellbeing.

There's also Forces where he even smiled and waved good-bye to Classic Sonic and that's more recent than Generations. So, he's not on bad terms with Sonic in general. Shadow sees Sonic as a friend and rival. And it is even said in print that they are friends. That is a fact that can't be denied.

Shadow has a hard time expressing himself openly because he's a tsundere. But Sonic Team recently said that Shadow has a sweet side and is kind in their answers to people's story prompts to his October Calendar picture. (Ex: https://twitter.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1582940334039801856?s=20&t=RKuti7PReIcCy_qnv0iN_A)

Sonic and Shadow compete a lot as rivals, but that doesn't mean they aren't friends. Shadow doesn't have to be exactly like Blaze and Knuckles either. He's not Blaze or Knuckles in terms of personality, so he would not be exactly like them.

Also, your examples are mostly from past games. In Forces he put his difference aside, like you said Knuckles and Blaze do, to help the greater good. In TSR he competed with Sonic because Sonic wanted to compete with him and he waited to help Sonic at the end to help against Eggman. You're only looking at how things were in the past, but not the present. There's also the 5th Twitter Takeover (that's more of a third party thing but is still official to some degree since it was a joint effort between Sonic American and Japan) where Shadow said that his favorite memory is when Sonic tried to save him after their fight with the Biolizard. It's another example of him caring in something official.

Sonic and Shadow are friends and that should be made clear. That fact shouldn't be hidden because of your personal opinion on their relationship. SEGA says they are friends, especially SEGA of Japan, so it should be said that they are friends to be accurate to SEGA's interpretation of Sonic and Shadow's relationship.

If you still put your personal opinion in saying they're not friends even when there is proof of them being so, especially in current or more recent medias, then you are making them not said to be friends for an ulterior motive. You make Sonic's page bias on purpose to fulfill your requirements of what you want Sonic to be viewed like and the relationships he has with other characters. Shadow too.

I know that there are people in the Sonic fandom that don't want Sonic and Shadow to be viewed as friends for ulterior motives. How you show Sonic's relationships with other characters proves that you too are another one with ulterior motives. There's nothing wrong with them being friends, so I ask that you make this fact clear already instead of being bias and making excuses to ignore this fact.

Philonite (talk) 04:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I need you to understand that this isn't bias and this is literally how I am seeing the official Sonic media as presented. If I wanted to put down that Sonic and Shadow were friends, I would, but the wiki is supposed to be objective and I'm sure you can even agree to that. However, I am still not seeing how what you are presenting to me is supposed to make them friends. I understand that they are not enemies nor do they hate each other but it is not like Shadow goes out of his way to actually be relaxing by Sonic's side. He is usually abrasive and downplays Sonic's skills in most of their encounters. It does not matter if the games were long ago because it was very much still him. These games defined who he is today, so who are we to say that Shadow has not been a jerk to Sonic several times when he has. That is not what friends do and it does not make a great case for him as a tsundere.

I agree that Shadow has a degree of care, however, as he still has to have some feelings, but overall the life on earth does not interest him and he only protects the world due to Maria's will. I do not agree that he has a hard time stating his feelings to anyone. He gives the necessary information needed to the person in front of him and nothing more. He has only ever cried in front of Amy due to him actually remembering what Maria had told him. He has said countless times that he does not like foolishness, believes he is nothing but a weapon, and that Sonic can be annoying. There has not been much inner thoughts about Sonic like that on a friendly term so I do not understand where this tsundere persona is coming from as if he is some shy and temperamental school kid. And even when it comes down to TSR, Shadow is already known to have an ego, especially with his status as the ultimate life form, so I do not think it was much of a "play time" rather than him trying to prove his superiority (I have seen the JP cutscenes too). Also, Shadow initially said that he saw no reason to help Sonic and Tails in Colors DS. Due to the game needing to pad out with missions, they have him (in his own way) challenging Sonic to make sure that he has not gone soft, like the other Sonic characters added in the game. Even if he showed care through this action, he was still rude about them leaving later. And if this entry is being used as an example, Generations can be used as one, but I already explained my point in that.

Lastly, when I was saying I gathered the information from Flynn's podcast, it was on information that Sega had given him. And considering how close he has been working with them as of late (Frontiers, IDW, Origins) who is to say that he is incorrect on the information they are directly giving him. It is different when there has been established information already and the book stated info that is actually not present in the game or written differently, but that interpretation that they said to him was their current depiction of him now. And of course, as he is not the lead writer, it was stated to Stanley too, seeing of how she has talked and written him as well. But aside from that, no, I do not have an ulterior motive. I do not see how Shadow's refusal to move past the stage of a rival means that he is a misunderstood tsundere only to Sonic. Sonic has been able to change the hearts of people who have hated or disagreed with him before. Shadow does not hate him but nor does he like him to the point of sticking around and wanting to be something better than an acquaintance with him. DECOOL! (talk) 04:43, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

If you've seen all the Japanese media too, then don't ignore the video evidence I gave that says that Sonic Team says that they are friends, which was recently made too. Not putting them as friends isn't being objective because you don't see them as friends. You literally said that you don't see them that way even when there is evidence of them being friends and because you don't see them that way, you won't put them as friends; you don't want to put them as friends. That sounds like someone who has ulterior motives when you put it like that. There's nothing wrong with putting the facts down. SEGA Japan already said they are friends, there's no argument there.

Ian Flynn may have worked on things, but he is still being told things from SEGA America and he's not someone who is a creator or someone from Sonic Team. He's a third party that mainly worked on the comics before being asked to help with Frontiers' story. The American branch is different than Japan. Also, him working on Frontiers doesn't mean he would know about Shadow. The characters we see from Frontiers' advertisements are Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Big, SAGE and Eggman. So saying he knows about Shadow because he works on Frontiers isn't a good argument. Shadow isn't in Origins either. As for IDW, Shadow hasn't been shown for a very long time, so things could have changed. Also, how America portrays Shadow is different from Japan's interpretation.

I think one thing that needs to be taken into account is that old games have been made years ago. Times change just like how people change. Taking only old games as facts for the present isn't being fair because there are other factors to take into account. Some of those factors are how the head of Sonic Team changed three times since the beginning of Sonic's series, how new eras had different stories and gameplays, how some people who used to work on Sonic don't work there anymore and other things like that. To be more accurate in things, one would need to take the recent materials as more fact than the past things that were made long time ago with a different mindset and different people.

Taking the old medias more than the current medias only makes you look like you're choosing what evidence you want to believe in or use. It's only choosing what helps you instead of being objective and taking in all medias or mostly the present medias that are more accurate to what is currently believed in/canon. Picking only what you want isn't being fair or accurate and by looking at mostly old medias or certain parts from games without looking at other parts of the game (Like Shadow staying behind to wave good-bye to Classic Sonic in Forces with a smile) makes you look bias.

If you want to use another example of how Shadow stayed around, we can even go to Generations where he stayed even though he didn't have to at the end. There's also Forces where he stayed around until the end with the other resistance members. Sonic was the one to leave in that case. Then we can also go into how in Colors DS he didn't have to test Sonic to see if he would be safe or not, but he did out of concern for him. If he wanted to be egoistic like you say he is, he would have done the things himself. Instead, he only watched Sonic do the tasks. In that case, he's more like Gary (Shigeru) from Pokemon where he eggs on Ash (Satoshi) so that he can become a better trainer, but that doesn't make them not friends. They're still friends, but also rivals. And in Gary's case, a rival that's always trying to improve his rival. Which Shadow tends to do for Sonic too.

In TSR, he didn't have to race Sonic, still. He didn't need to prove anything if he thinks he's so much better than Sonic. Shadow instead tested Sonic to see if he could take care of himself, again. After the race, Shadow is being a tsundere to him again by saying that he guesses that Sonic could help him defeating Eggman. But even if he said that, they still didn't go beat Eggman until the end. He still could have went to beat Eggman himself or get things done with already, but instead he decided to race Sonic even though Sonic already proved himself to him. In that case, he raced with him because he wanted to and wasn't concerned about things because he knew Sonic and himself could take care of it later. If he was concerned about Eggman more, he would have done something about him without Sonic's help, especially if he thinks he's better than him and because of that, take care of Eggman himself.

I'll give another example of how Shadow cares about Sonic. In Forces he stopped time and kicked his double away from Sonic before it could hit him. Did he have to go through such lengths for someone he doesn't care about or not see as a friend? No, he didn't. Especially not if he thinks he's better than him. If he thought he was better than him and not care about Sonic as a friend, he would have let him get hurt and then hit the double away, but he didn't.

Also, Sonic is a Japanese based company. If you watch a lot of anime or other things from the Japanese culture, you'd understand that Shadow's personality is based off of being a tsundere. It's common knowledge to anyone who has seen the Japanese culture medias a lot. Here is a definition of it for you to go look at: https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/wiki/Tsundere If you take the definition of this and observe Shadow's behavior, you can tell that many moments between him and Sonic are like the examples they give of how a tsundere would talk/act.

If you want to be more fair and accurate, take Japan's side of things too. Like I said in the beginning, don't ignore the evidence that Sonic Team (The ones in charge of Sonic's franchise and the ones who make the games.) gave themselves where it lists Shadow as one of Sonic's friends in the video I provided. The only one that wasn't a friend in that list was Eggman who is Sonic's nemesis. Shadow, Tails, Rouge, Knuckles and Amy are all his friends. Sonic Team says so themselves so it is an undeniable fact no matter how someone else interprets it like yourself.

Philonite (talk) 08:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

While it's true, DECOOL was speaking from the worldwide views, not just Japan. Of course, Japan SEGA confirmed this, but, like you claimed, American SEGA doesn't confirm them to be friends. Let's just say that Sonic and Shadow are acquaintances rather than being 'friends'. They just worked together to stop the common goals, like Mephiles the Dark in "Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)" or Prototype Ultimate Lifeform in "Sonic Adventure 2" (and its re-released), for examples, then after that, they went back to be 'rivals'. FredCat 08:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Then in that case, the book saying that Sonic and Shadow are friends in English should be enough evidence to say they are friends in both the American and Japanese sides of SEGA. That book has the SEGA copyright on it, so it should be taken as fact either way. And, SEGA Japan is more official and canon than America since the franchise is from Japan and Sonic Team, who makes the canon things, have a say on the way the characters are and are the ones who make the games, is from Japan. If we were to take things as facts, we should first be looking at the Japanese, not the American.

When I said that America portrays them differently, I was more speaking about how they portray Sonic and Shadow personality wise. That doesn't mean that because they portray them differently that they are not friends. Also, America's portrayal of Shadow is incorrect because Sonic Team just showed and said that Shadow has grown into a kind and sweet individual since his past. The examples given to show he is not is older than when Sonic Team said that Shadow is kind. Those older examples are also different than what the creators of Shadow say about Shadow's personality right now because he has grown since SA2. He's not stuck in the past and has grown since 20 years ago. Him being said to be sweet by Sonic Team now proves that. Things change over time. It's been many years since some of the games that were provided as examples to say that Shadow is mean or doesn't care about Sonic.

Also, the description of him on this site puts him as a lonely, mean person who only care about himself, which is also incorrect because Sonic Team says otherwise by saying he's now a kinder and sweeter person. I already gave plenty of examples that show that they are friends in more recent materials than the ones given that are even in the English interpretations of the games as well. Example being Shadow waving good-bye to Classic Sonic and Shadow helping Sonic from his double.

Please stop ignoring the facts and put them as friends already. They are friends, it is confirmed and it shouldn't be excluded because fans don't see it that way. It's not up to fan's interpretation on whether Sonic and Shadow are friends, it's SEGA's. Especially SEGA of Japan's/Sonic Team's because they are Sonic and Shadow's creators, not SEGA of America.

Philonite (talk) 09:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Why is it that Sega of America suddenly has no say in how the characters can be written? Yes, Japan made the character but that does not mean that Sega of America has not received guidelines from them in how to write this character as well. All this talk of Sega of America does not know what they are doing is ridiculous because why would they be working on a franchise they know nothing about. Iizuka has mentioned Flynn several times in his interviews and how they have literally worked together on the Frontiers story (along with the director). It wasn't just Flynn receiving notes from some Joe in the SOA building; it was Sega of Japan. Meaning that for his time on IDW, there is no reason to say that he has not been receiving the same notes from Sega of Japan to write Shadow like that. If SOJ really disagreed, why would they publish the IDW issues in Japanese. I will say that there is more nuance in the writing SOJ does but it does not prove that Shadow is suddenly Sonic's friend just because he wishes to prove his skills to be superior over Sonic's.

And I do not see any reason to discount the old games, especially Shadow's debut game considering a lot of effort was put into his character by his creator, Shiro Maekawa. Why should his word count less than current SOJ? We include all of it. All the times Shadow has aided the world. All the times Shadow has threatened other characters. All of it. That isn't me being biased, it is literally just what Sega has presented to us over the years. And the way that Sega has advertised Shadow as Sonic's friend appears to be in the commercial sense. It's easier to just describe people who are more likely going to be on Sonic's side as his friends. His and Shadow's relationship is much more complicated than that. Sonic and Shadow both have hearts of gold, but Shadow is more secluded about his good tendencies. Sonic continues to believe in Shadow's heart of gold but does not hesitate to fight against him for what he believes in.

Shadow's main goal in TSR was to investigate Eggman. The hedgehog has never attacked Eggman for no reason, so he and his team wished to find out what he was up to before they acted. And him accepting Sonic's help is not him being a tsundere. They have worked together before so this is nothing new. In Japanese he even says "It seems I have no choice but to work with you in order to stop the doctor's plans for this occasion as well." while in English it's "Perhaps you could be useful in assisting me to thwart the Doctor's plan after all, Sonic." And as they are already equipped with cars, Shadow engages Sonic in races for his ego. There was nothing said in either script where Shadow was actually enjoying his time racing against Sonic. When not talking about racing, Shadow reminded Sonic about the mission again as Sonic wanted to focus on racing. And what does it matter if Shadow stopped the replica from hurting Sonic. He did that because he already had a mission to beat Infinite. He does not allow foolish people to do as they please, and seeing that Infinite was doing something that conflicted with the will of Maria and his dislike, he interfered. Not because Sonic is his friend, but because he is focused on a mission.

I can easily take Japan's side too but there is not much of a difference in what they are trying to portray. We have already known that Shadow has a heart of gold and he has a degree of care for others. This does not change the fact that he does not view Sonic, or anyone else, as his actual friend. He has literally said in his own words that he dislikes it when foolish people do whatever they please on the world, including Eggman and Sonic. This is all said in his 2021 Sonic Channel story, where it even cites Shadow as Sonic's occasional enemy and says that Sonic can be viewed as an annoyance in Shadow's eyes.DECOOL! (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Now at this rate you're only picking and choosing which things you want to still. It's already in print with SEGA's copyright that they are friends in English and Sonic Team themselves have a video listing Shadow as a friend. Whether you see them as friends or not through all other medias, doesn't make them not friends. There is proof of them being friends to SEGA on both sides either way.

Also, there are many things that SEGA of America does different than Japan. There are times when they are completely different, so to say that they are acting the same way as Japan tells them to, is not always correct. An example of them being different can be Frontiers where the dialogue is vastly different between the Japanese version of the game and the English version. Sonic Boom can also be another example where Shadow is shown way meaner, violent and more heartless than his game version. That was more done with the English side of SEGA, not Japan. In IDW, he is show more impatient, cruel, mean, and heartless much like Boom and the comics is more of an American thing.

I'll say this, just because a company has worked on something for a long time, doesn't mean they understand or have the best motives all the time, especially when they're not the creator themselves. America portrays Shadow differently than Japan does and Japan doesn't always tell them what to do/have a say because America sometimes does things with their series without their say. Also, America doesn't always listen to Japan. Companies are made up of people, people who can either be good or bad, so saying that they are always doing what Japan wants is not true. There are times things don't align, there are times when even the fans point out how things are different. And in the end, America still doesn't have a say compared to Japan because they didn't create Sonic, Japan did. So, if Japan says something different than America, we should be taking Japan's word, not America's. People can twist things and show things incorrectly. People can also interpret things incorrectly or differently than what they are told. The reason why I say America has no say compared to Japan is because there are times they are completely different in things, and because there's a lot of misalignment, it's better to take the creator's words than someone who is giving a telephone of what is told to them or someone who is only taking what Japan has and showing it in what they interpret it as into English. In the end, my point is that humans can have ulterior motives and we should be seeing the companies as humans. America is someone who take's Japan's arts and puts them into their own words. If Japan says something different for their arts, we should take their word first instead of the person who is interpreting their arts. The artist's say is more important than the translator because a translator can make mistakes or perceive things differently than what the artist intended.

I already told you about Shadow's personality and I even gave a link to show you a tsundere. The lines you gave are still tsundere lines and that can be obviously seen as they match up exactly with examples they give of how a tsundere is. "Don't misunderstand me." and then pouting is exactly like, "I didn't do it for you." while pouting afterwards. It's exactly the same. Meaning, you can't take his words at face value just because it benefits your perspective of Shadow's character. Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean he isn't one. The tsundere description also goes over how they do it to protect their pride. You mentioned that Shadow has pride, which he does, so here's a reason as to why he talks this way because of that pride. While protecting his pride, he also cares, like it is said a tsundere is like. Also, at the end of the calendar it says Frenemy, like I told you way before. And a Frenemy is a Friend and Enemy, not only an Enemy. It's a Friend as well. Again, you're only choosing what you want to believe or take from something.

The latest edit on Sonic's page that was on the 23rd has information from the Japanese side of things edited in. Why is this information, which is the video provided and the book, that has SEGA's copyright on it, not allowed? It is literally there in both languages yet you refuse to put something that is fact due to personal opinions. No matter how you put it, it is your personal opinion to not put it because there are proofs of them being friends in both languages. You're being bias even when the facts and evidence are presented to you.

As for older things, if someone does something in the past, you won't let them move on from it? Isn't the point of Shadow's character moving on from his past? Taking all medias is one thing, but you're using mostly the old medias to make up the majority of his character. What should, and usually is done, is that the current medias make up of someone, or a character, more than the past medias. That's just how things logically go because times change, people change and we take in new information as we move on with our life. Not everything is about what happened in the past. We should be looking at the future (Which Sonic and Sonic Team constantly say for us to do with his franchise) and more of the present, so yes, we should take what Sonic Team thinks now more than the past because their thoughts on things could have changed since the past they want to move on from, which in turn makes the character evolve and change through time. And these are their characters, so they have a right to change things as they want, even if it's different from the past games you keep on making haunt the characters. This can go for any character like Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Rouge, Amy, etc. All of them can change through time because perspectives change, people change, time changes, wishes change. Their wants for how a character is perceived or viewed could have changed drastically since the beginning or past games and we should accept that by accepting the current medias more than past medias.

Again, at this rate, you're having ulterior motives to not make them friends on this site/Sonic's page. When people don't want them to be friends, they don't want Sonic and Shadow to be close in any manner for ulterior motives. You dodging and making excuses to not put them as friends despite the hard evidence showing otherwise, is just proving that even more. There's nothing wrong with having them said to be friends. They are just friends. It's no different from Sonic being friends with everyone else in the franchise who is his friend like Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Blaze, Silver, Rouge, Cream, Big, etc. Friends are friends, that is all. Yet one simple fact is so hard for you to do and instead of taking all the evidence provided, you ignore it for your own personal opinion still. Being a friend is not so detrimental that you need to exclude it from Sonic's page unless you have ulterior motives to not make them be on good terms with each other. Many people want Sonic and Shadow to be seen as hating each other, and how some sections are worded in Sonic and Shadow's relationship section, proves that you're helping that even more as it is made to make them very bitter towards each other when it's been proven otherwise that they are also times when they are neutral or kind to each other. They're not just rivals, they are also friends. Your description of their relationship helps the narrative and misconception of them always hating each other and being mean to each other all the time. And you not changing to just put friends (a simple fact) in, shows that you want that narrative to spread.

It also doesn't help this site's case that I was ignored twice before finally getting answered on my second request here months later. I asked twice, but was ignored completely the first time. I was so ignored that even requests after my first request were talked to while mine stayed untouched. It wasn't until I edited my second request at a much later date that I finally got answers. This just proves more of the ulterior motives of not wanting Shadow and Sonic to be friends for personal reasons even when there is evidence of them being friends in the book I showed before, the video I linked from Sonic Team and in Sonic and Shadow's calendar description where it says Friend and Foe as one word, not just Foe. In other words, Frenemy.

Philonite (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I already told you why I could not answer so that does not need to be brought up. That video, like I said, is in commercial use and it does not actually mean much for them to refer Shadow as Sonic's friend, same as that book. Sonic Channel has provided the most current depiction of Shadow's feelings about Sonic, showing that he finds annoyance with him. There is respect, but annoyance. And yeah, Shadow has had character growth but that does not suddenly mean he has chosen to accept the others as friends. What does he have to be tsundere about? He has been brutally honest with every character he has come in contact with but does not often share what he feels about stuff he truly cares about, like his creation, the ARK, the professor, and Maria. If anything, he is tsundere about that. Not because he actually cares about Sonic. It does not make sense to add in things like the book and the video calling Shadow Sonic's friend when they have also stated that they are not friends. And to be a frenemy is not the same as being a friend. In fact, it is to pretend to be a friend. I have nothing to be biased about. DECOOL! (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

You acting this way is proving you're being bias because you're not taking hard core evidence because you don't want to admit that they are friends. That video that Sonic Team made was not made for commercial use. You are only saying that so you can discredit them being friends. That video is more recent than anything and it is under Sonic Team's name. It is stated there that even after all the games and their calendar story, Sonic Team sees Shadow and Sonic as friends. Also, that video is a guide to tell new people about Sonic. It is not intended to be for commercial use, it is to teach new people about Sonic's world and about Sonic himself. And while telling people about Sonic, they include that Shadow is his friend. They want people to know that Shadow is among Sonic's friends. So no matter what you say, they are said to be friends whether you like it or not by Sonic Team themselves.

And yes it does need to be brought up because I asked the first time and was completely ignored, but you and others commented on requests that were after mine. There is no excuse for that other than having ulterior motives to not want to admit the facts like now. I was clearly ignored while you talked to others instead.

And I'm going to put logic on you since you're being so stubborn in having things as your own personal opinion.

Does the Book and Video state that Sonic and Shadow are friends in either print or voice? Yes. It is solid proof. There are words in text and said words with pictures to show that they are friends.

Now, does it ever say anywhere, anywhere at all that "Sonic and Shadow are not friends" in those exact words? Does it say it in text anywhere or from any official Japanese content that is more recent than the video provided? No. There is no such thing.

So, what's more true in this case? Something that is in print and said? Or something that doesn't exist at all? Obviously it would be the evidence of them being called friends because THERE IS PROOF whether you like it or not. Whether you personally take it one way or not does not make the facts not true. They are friends. Sonic Team sees them as friends and there is proof of that. You are being bias in not wanting to say they are and that too, is a fact. You are making all of your decisions based off of personal opinions, not facts. You are not being accurate or true to the canon material.

Philonite (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

That video was made to promote the Sonic series and is a quick guide on the franchise, yes. It does not do an actual explanation of the series showcasing the several times where Shadow has not been a kind character to Sonic, has downplayed him, or has not cared for his wellbeing. If Sonic Team sees Shadow and Sonic as friends, why have they never been written that way. These are conflicting statements and it does not make sense for them to call them friends if they have not acted like it before. It isn't true to the character's motivations and actions to call him a friend just because Sega wanted an easier way to group all of Sonic's actual friends. There is proof of Sonic Team calling them friends but no proof of Shadow actually acting like it. EDIT: In fact, you are right to call them frenemies, friends is something they have never been outside of the main series. DECOOL! (talk) 14:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Again you're deflecting the evidence for your own opinion on things and are not taking what is canon to Sonic Team. It's not a question of "if" or not, they said they are friends. There are no "ifs." They are friends, that is it. They said so, even after all the games and other materials. They have the final say; they are what is canon. And right now, their current opinion on Shadow's and Sonic's relationship is that they are friends. You are being bias in saying that they are not for your own benefits despite the evidences still.

You are being nitpicky with information and only choosing what you want to report or base things off of at that rate. You are making excuses not to accept current medias by bringing in the past and other things that are your interpretations or your thoughts on things. Sonic Team calls them friends even after all past materials, so whether the video has an extensive description or not, does not make them not friends. IN THE PRESENT the Creators, who are Sonic Team, say that are Friends. They are Friends. No matter what else is brought up, they are friends and Sonic Team confirms this. If they are not shown to be friends after this video, you'd have more of a case because then it would be more present materials. But you're only bringing up past materials to discredit proof that is after all the things in the past.

If you want to go there, if Shadow isn't a friend, he didn't need to be shown in that video. But he was. Meaning, Sonic Team wants people to know that they are friends. That is the stance they are at right now; that is what they want their audience to know. You are spreading misinformation and withholding information based on your bias views and opinions.

I'll say it again. No where does it ever say that Sonic and Shadow are not friends. But there are evidences to show that they are friends. Therefore the more canon/accurate description to take for their relationship with each other is from what actually exists. And what exists is that Sonic and Shadow are said to be friends. That cannot be denied.

Philonite (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

I do not agree that simply them saying Shadow is Sonic's friend is actually indicative of what the games have set out to describe their relationship. It would be the equivalent of them saying that Eggman is Sonic's friend on a livestream but it is obvious in the game content that this is not the case. Sega once stated that the Rivals games were not canon, only to change their minds later as revealed by the IDW head writers. To say that this video is more valid than the several instances of Shadow not acting like Sonic's friend in the games does not make sense and I cannot take it seriously as a source. So there is still that question of "if" on the table. They have had over 21 years to write Sonic and Shadow as friends in the games, but they have not. Why is that? DECOOL! (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Now you are derailing and again you're saying things based on your opinion on things.

Whether you see them as friends or not from how they were written does not make how Sonic Team sees them any different. What is canon and fact is that Sonic Team sees them as friends, even after everything they've written. Again, if you had something more recent than that video that says they are not friends in text or words, you'd have more of a case. But there is no such thing as anything saying that Sonic and Shadow are not friends. What you're pulling up is your own personal opinions and interpretations on their relationship with each other and ignoring Sonic Team's interpretation of their own creations.

If you want to go there, how they wrote Sonic and Shadow is how they see them as friends. Them being friends is their intention because the most recent example that says they are friends, says so. It's like how they say Sonic and Knuckles are friends despite Knuckles spending most of his time on Angel Island with the Master Emerald and saying that he doesn't want to have fun with Sonic in the Sonic Live Livestreams. Knuckles is still a friend even after TailsTube says that Knuckles is not interested in talking about Sonic and was even willing to hang up on Tails because he didn't want to talk about Sonic that much. So, if you really want to go there, how they are written is how Sonic Team portrays their friendship. In the end of the day, the creators say they are friends, so they are friends.

Your personal opinions do not change that fact and if you withhold this information, then you are doing it out of personal gain or personal views, which makes you inaccurate and it spreads the narrative that you are spreading misinformation on purpose.

Philonite (talk) 23:38, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

They’re the rivals and acquaintances, nothing more. They fought over who’s fastest and who’s strongest, but only work together if their common enemies (such as Eggman, or someone worse than Eggman) tried to destroy or conquer the world, they put their rivalry aside to overthrow those that tried to do so. And once that’s done, Shadow went back to his own self and looked down at Sonic.

That’s what SEGA of Japan were saying. You can say that they are frenemies, but they are NOT friends. FredCat 00:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

There is literal evidence saying that they are friends. You're just being unreasonable, disregarding the evidence that is literally there for anyone to see and are pushing your own views and ideas on things; you're putting words into SEGA of Japan's mouth. You see them as not friends, not Sonic Team. There is proof of Sonic Team saying they are friends, so don't say something that is obviously a lie.

Also, you said earlier that SEGA of Japan did confirm this. Don't go backtracking on your word now. You agreed that they say that Sonic and Shadow are friends. Your contradicting yourself and doing the same as Decool99 where you're only picking and choosing what you want to believe in by your recent reply.

Philonite (talk) 01:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

It’s you that being unreasonable. Please stop repeating yourself.

It doesn’t matter what I said now. You’re making this harder than before. Just let it go already. DECOOL gave his response already, and you still think that Sonic and Shadow MUST be friends no matter what.

Let. It. Go! FredCat 01:51, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I keep on having to repeat myself because the same problems keep on coming up. You both are being unreasonable and you in particularly are being contradicting. And yes, it should be said that Sonic and Shadow are friends when they are because there is a misconception that they hate each other, fight each other all the time and want nothing to do with each other when there are facts of that not being the case.

Hiding the truth, spreading misinformation, withholding information for personal gains; all of those are wrong and I want the right thing to be done. And that right thing is to acknowledge what Sonic Team wants, which is for everyone to know that Sonic and Shadow are friends.

Nothing you guys say will make them being friends any less true. Sonic Team says they are; there is proof they are friends. There is no proof of anything saying they are not friends. Therefore, by not adding it or clearing the misunderstanding, you are spreading misinformation and going against the wishes of the creators. You are desecrating their creation, their art, their works.

You two are the ones who should just accept the facts already. The truth deserves to be told and deserves to be known. Your personal opinions don't justify the wrong you're doing by making people have misconceptions by lying to them or by withholding information. You both are in the wrong for not putting the truth, not me who is telling the truth and wanting it to be clear.

Philonite (talk) 08:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Sonic's Profile/Infobox Update

Well, if Shadow the Hedgehog got his infobox updated to The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog version, so why not do the same with this character's infobox? I only suggested because this article and its infobox templates are protected. FredCat 16:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

We should not be using the Murder of Sonic images for the infoboxes. For several reasons. For one, that's not Sonic's default appearance. It's a costume he wore one time for a very specific event. Not only that, but the canonicity of the game is still muddy, at the moment. 17:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Understood. And that means all other characters, included Shadow, should be reverted of their The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog profile. FredCat 17:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

A Fearless Hero?

In Sonic Frontiers, in the cutscene of Sonic first encountering Wyvern, he clearly shows an expression of fear upon seeing it, maybe it’s a overlook in CG-making, or the staff trying to further humanize the hero, but it contradicts in the “Personality” Section, Sonic is stated to be fearless (to his enemies).

As a life-long fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, it bugs me to see even Sonic (occasionally) fears his enemies, especially he never showed such expression in previous games. Or maybe I misinterpreted “surprised/awed” as “fear”.

General Wild Dog (talk) 07:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Sonic ability to restore(or fix time)

As we know, sonic generations is a game, time eater destroyed space-time, and left everything in a white space, but sonic managed to restore it by running, it is even said by tails that sonic running can fix space and time,but that ability,or speed,or whatever,it is not on his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xela tabs (talk • contribs) 21:24, 23 May 2023

That would explain the reason why Sonic would be able to pull it off in Sonic Prime T.V. show. But in reality, it's "Time Eater" that was cancelled out the space-time zone when it got destroyed, causing the space-time to reset to their original. Again, we witnessed Classic Sonic left through the portal to his correct time period, so it's unsure about Sonic's "power" to restore the time-space.
Be sure to sign your signature by type down four tildes (Looks like this: ~~~~) at end of your comment, please. FredCat 01:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you sure you saw the game, or are you just making assumptions without bases(because seriosly,no source on that),because time eater was destroying space-time, and then eggman could rebuild it as he wanted, but sonic was already fixing it, why do you think the zones and characters returned to their original state? was it because of sonic, not time eater, it was never said that it was time eater who repaired space-time,and classic sonic leaving through a portal does not mean that time eater reset everything, it is simply a portal, and that's it.

Xela tabs (talk) 10:26, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I owned Sonic Generation game. So yes, I saw the details and memorized them. Again, it's unsure if Sonic fixed it or not. Classic Sonic remained in the Modern Sonic's era after Time Eater was defeated and disappeared, eventually Classic Eggman was trapped in the whiteout with Modern Eggman, had to put up with the latter and decided to take up the teaching career. FredCat 12:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

are you sure again?because aparently tails says that sonic is fixing space and timeand time eater is the one who destroys it(and eggman even says that again later in the game)And by the way, what does it have to do with classic sonic returning to his world after the restoration? Also, it is never explained why classic eggman and modern eggman are still in white space,it is a plot hole that was never solved. Xela tabs (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It's because Sonic defeated Time Eater was the reason they fixed it. And plus, they had Chaos Emeralds, which was what kept them from throw off the timeline. I mean, look at Shadow in Sonic Prime, he managed to keep himself together because he had Chaos Emerald when Sonic "shattered" the Paradox Prism, also Sonic became immunity to the effect of Paradox Prism, which would originally splitting him into four different versions.
Tails and Eggmans only made a hypothesis that Sonic "fixed" it because defeated the tool, Time Eater. Otherwise, we wouldn't have to see the city completely in wreak after Perfect Chaos came out with full Negative Power of Chaos Emeralds. FredCat 21:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

bro,are you watching the game,it is never say that defeating time eater will fix space and time,they needed to defeated him because he was causing the damage,so they needed to stop that, which "get out of the time line" space-time were destroyed, they can not be thrown out, if there is no space-time,and why are you including prime now? It was only Tails who said that Sonic restored time, Eggman said that Time Eater destroyed it,and you are really watching the game,sonic restored tails,and the rest of his friends,before he even fighted time eater,it does not make sense that him is restoring the places,when time eater is only being able to fight at the end of the game,also,eggman had (little)control over time eater,so it is again possible that he could bring the timeline of perfect chaos to fight sonic. Xela tabs (talk) 01:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Dream Team render?

Sonic received a new render Sonic Dream Team, along with multiple other characters, had their profile image in their Infobox changed to their new renders. Currently at the 2 Nov 2023 (Australian time) is still the one from Sonic Frontiers, can it please be updated to the more recent render.

TheAverageLifeForm 4:22, 2 Nov 2023 (ACDT)

Admin Luma gotcha covered. FredCat 10:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Alpha Grim Sonic to be added to the "Enemies" section

As shown in the first official clip from Sonic Prime's third season, Sonic and Shadow are shown to be fighting a character named Alpha Grim Sonic. Because both of the hedgehogs were fighting the robot, it's safe to say they both count the robot as their enemies. I already added the character to the "Enemies" section on Shadow's page, but since Sonic's page is protected, I'm unable to add it, so could someone who has access to editing the page add Alpha Grim Sonic to the "Enemies" section, please? Thanks.

ShikiMeiLover 13:21, 12 November 2023 (GMT)

Giving people he trusts nicknames (Or something along those lines) should be added to Likes section of his infobox

in one of the first cutscenes of Dream team Sonic calls Ariem Ari, to which Ariem looks to Amy, confused. amy then says that he likes handing out nicknames to people he trusts. Click this link TheAverageLifeForm (talk) 20:46, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

One word: Eggman. DiegoUreta68 (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Forgive my tardiness, I think that TheAverageLifeForm meant to add "Handing out Nicknames" to Sonic's "|likes =" list in his infobox. FredCat 23:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Infobox Update

Not to impose or anything, but since the premiere of Sonic Prime Season 3 is coming up, I couldn't help but notice that Sonic's infobox has most of the voice actors for that series covered, but it's missing his VA from the Latin Spanish dub, Marc Winslow. I checked the infoboxes for the rest of the characters that aren't Shatterspace counterparts, and for the most part, they seem to have that detail covered. I understand that the page is locked to avoid vandalism, so I'm just leaving this here for the sake of completion. It's a really minor thing, but I figure it wouldn't hurt to at least bring it up. Spyro the Dragon (talk) 06:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Wreck-It Ralph

Shouldn't Wreck-It Ralph be included in the media Sonic appears in? He had full voice lines and was voiced by Roger Craig Smith. Or did I somehow miss the mention entirely? —Preceding unsigned comment added by IceyM'95 (talk • contribs) 20:31, December 13, 2023

McDonalds render

This render

This one

should be in the Infobox rather then the superstars render. other characters (Tails, Knuckles, Amy) had their profile image in their Infobox changed to the Mcdonalds ones, can it please be updated to the more recent render.

TheAverageLifeForm (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Update "Game Appearances"

Include the mobile games like the Sonic Dash Ports —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lixpheo (talk • contribs) 18:29, January 27, 2024‎

Already listed here. It's because they're the non-canon games. FredCat 23:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Relationships with Big the Cat, Merlina, Tikal, Yacker, and Sage

There probably has to be a three more sections of Sonic's relationships:

• Big the Cat
• Merlina the Wizard
• Tikal
• Yacker
• Sage

And there has to be quotes based on their relationships, and a quote for Sonic's relationship with Rouge the Bat. DoctorToadstool (talk) 23:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Add info regarding Sonic's canonical middle name "Maurice"

Sonic Prime's description said "When the universe shatters into multiple dimensions, Sonic's gotta fix it -- and fast! Luckily "fast" is his middle name. (Actually, it's Maurice.)" Sonic Prime is canon so Sonic's canonical middle name is Maurice. I'm just saying if you don't want to at it to the name in bold at least place it in the article somewhere. Its fun trivia. Dragon Scholar (talk) 06:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

That description was only used in certain areas, and Ian Flynn has since confirmed it does not reflect Sonic's actual name. Currently, it is only mentioned in the "trivia" section of Sonic's miscellaneous subpage, and it'll probably stay that way. 07:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification Dragon Scholar (talk) 08:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Adding more relationships

Please, add Sonic's relationship with Caliburn and Merlina the Wizard.

Katherine Alvarez (talk) 9:00, 4 Abril 2024 (UTC)

Adding dislikes

Someone with access, please, I want you to do for me a favor, can you add this to Sonic's dislikes on his infobox:

• Oppression
• Corruption
• Dishonesty
• Being called a "rat"

(The evidence of the last one is on Sonic and the Secret Rings and Sonic Forces)

Katherine Alvarez (talk) 04:46, 15 Abril 2024 (UTC)